Hard Truth Podcast:The Power Of Grit with Lara Jones

Welcome to The Hard Truth Podcast.

This is Jeremy Fouts, and today we have a special guest with us, Dr.

Mark Liebich from here in Frisco, Texas.

And I tell you, he has not only been a personal friend of mine, he’s been someone that has taken care of my family.

I think there’s been times you’ve met us at 5 o’clock in the morning, stretching boys out from athletic injuries and different things like that.

And for those of you listening, you know, we’re going to get into a lot of things today.

We’re going to talk about cholesterol, inflammation, sugar regulation, sleep disorders, anxiety.

But you’re going to hear from someone that is putting it to work on a daily basis with patients.

And that’s what I’m really excited about.

You know, I mean, Dr.

Mark, we’re going to talk a lot about the medical side and the chiropractic side.

And, you know, one thing I love and respect about the chiropractic side is you actually build a relationship with your patients.

You actually get into what they’re eating, how they’re sleeping, you know, education as well.

And that’s something I really value about our relationship and, you know, working with you on a daily basis to try to optimize my whole health aspect, you know, not just coming in and say, I can get an adjustment here.

That’s something I’ve always just had a lot of respect for you as we come in and if it’s five minutes, if it’s 20 minutes, it’s 30 minutes.

I mean, you continue to spend that with your patients, not just to help them on an adjustment, but also education standpoint.

So it’s a pleasure to have you.

I know I’ve got your bio in front of me, but I want to let you kind of give us a little background of how this journey began and the love and passion that you have for patients and taking care of people.

And give us a little bit of background of your education.

Yeah, so I started off a 2007 graduate of Knox College, graduated with a biology and chemistry degree, so I started off as a big old nerd, because I was just a lab rat.

You already lost a lot of them when you said biology and chemistry.

Exactly.

Just started off as a lab rat, and then went the medical route.

And actually, at first, my passion was for becoming a surgeon.

And I decided to change that, because I started shadowing some surgeons.

And between how they took care of their patients, and also just the lifestyle, I realized, I’m like, you know what?

This isn’t for me.

Nobody’s getting better.

Everybody’s getting sicker, and they keep coming back.

And then as they age, they come back more and more and more.

And here I was about to take the MCATs, and I’m stressed out.

I go to see my chiropractor, because I used to see a chiropractor since I was like 12 years old.

And he was asking me, he’s like, man, you’re really tense today.

What’s going on?

I was like, well, I’m about to take the MCATs.

So I’ve been studying like crazy.

I was like, you ever think about chiropractic?

I was like, you know what?

No, actually, I never did.

And to my father’s dismay, I actually canceled the MCATs and signed up for chiropractic school and then kind of hit the ground running there.

And after that, went to Clear Institute Scoliosis Center, which is the number one scoliosis center in the world, to really refine my skills in just helping people correct their spine, which then conveyed into how much we can help in other areas as well, because just like you said, you know, where MDs will have these standards with the hospitals and the clinics give them, where they get in trouble if they spend more than seven minutes with you.

It’s actually something they get penalized for.

So they get to know nothing about you.

You’re just a piece of paper to them.

And they almost have a quota that they have to give you meds, they have to give you vaccines, and they don’t care.

It’s just, take this, these are your numbers, shut up, move on to the next patient.

Where chiropractors, we have that benefit and that luxury where we’re seeing you once a week, once every other week, maybe twice a week, depending on what’s going on, because like your boys, if they’re just getting beat up all the time with sports, yeah, we got to see them a little more regularly.

And so we get to have those conversations of, hey, what are you eating?

What are you doing?

How are you exercising?

What’s your sleep like?

Yeah, what’s the sleep like?

What are you stressed about?

Like, how can we prevent overall inflammation in the body, overall, how can we amplify your brain health and really hammer in just overall health?

So we get to know you as a person and individualize your health.

Because for us, we make our money in you staying healthy.

If you get sick, we don’t make any money.

You go to the hospital, you’ve got to deal with a whole different doctor, which is what I love about chiropractic, because the other way, if you go to a surgeon, you go to an MD, if you’re healthy, they don’t make money.

So where’s the incentive for them to help you?

And there’s very little, which is why a lot of MDs that I actually do really admire, appreciate, respect, they actually have this almost like membership coaching, where you pay this membership fee year to year, that’s how they make their money, because now they’re actually incentivized to keep you healthy.

That’s when you know that doctor is actually there.

They actually ignore insurance, because insurance is a joke these days as well.

It’s absolute jokes.

If you’re wasting money on insurance, we can talk about that sometime.

But they actually ignore insurance, because they’re really focusing on actually keeping you healthy.

I mean, if you think about even how insurance was designed, it’s just it was based on a design of you failing.

They’re saying, hey, you know what?

I bet you 500 bucks, you’re going to fail.

You’re going to get sick.

And you’re actually paying that.

Like, you know what?

You’re probably right.

I’m going to get sick here.

Here’s my 500 bucks.

And so really, when it comes to health, we just really want to change the way that’s working and the way that it’s designed and get to know the patient and just help in any way we possibly can to keep you living to 120 years old.

I mean, Genesis chapter six, verse three, supposed to live to 120 years old.

That’s the way it buys design.

And then, of course, we do foolish things to actually shave some years off.

But you know, that’s the ultimate premise there is just…

Well, and it’s also not just the amount of years that you live, it’s the quality of life.

Exactly.

I mean, you know, that’s something a lot of people don’t recognize as well.

I mean, what good does it do to live to 100 if the last 20 years you can’t even get up and take care of yourself?

Yep.

Yeah.

And that’s a common one we hear with patients too, or I’ll say that many, many times within the office where I’m like, you know, the goal is to get you to 120 and you will hear almost every single patient was, I’m good with 70 and I’m like, well, what if you felt the way you feel now at 100?

Now, what would you say?

Yeah.

No, like, well, yeah, I guess that would be pretty nice.

I’m like, there you go.

Like, it’s attainable.

We can do it.

I mean, look at Jack Lillane, Jack Lillane, who was a chiropractor.

He’s I mean, he did fantastic.

What he like swam across a lake with 70 rowboats attached to his back at 70 years old for his birthday.

So I’m like, it’s it’s attainable.

You can do it.

You just have to put in the work.

And then the problem is most people think that work is so unattainable when it’s not anybody can do it.

You just need the proper coaching.

You need the proper guidance and you need the proper just instruction.

One of the things I’ve told my boys to and I’ll get your opinion is, you know, I’ve got a lot of respect for some medical doctors.

I’ve got some good friends that are medical doctors.

I’m sure you do too.

But again, like you said, you know, I’ve got so many people go to a medical doctor that maybe you and I don’t have respect for.

And every time they’re like, well, they didn’t know what was wrong, but they started me on this and they started me on that.

And you know, but I always tell my boys and anyone that I’m close with is no one’s going to care about your health more than you.

So you need to learn your body.

You need to learn what works for you.

And you need to educate yourself.

Do you agree with that?

Oh yeah, absolutely.

It’s a…

I mean, find a good mentor like you to learn from, but you also got to take ownership of your own health.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And you’re absolutely right.

I mean, there’s not…

I mean, at the end of the day, people are people.

And I honestly believe most people are good.

And I know that might be a Luke Bryan song there.

Most people are good and they get into it with the right heart and the right intentions.

And they will graduate.

They take that Hippocratic Oath.

They want to help people.

But then they get in this hospital system that has…

And then all of a sudden, we put those shackles on.

And to be honest, and this was going to get in a big debate and open up a can of worms for a lot of people.

But then when they’re in med school, you have big pharma funding and paying a lot of it.

So they actually start nurturing and breeding for this chemical mindset and to incorporate that.

So you get this little bit of indoctrination when they’re in school, and then when they graduate, you get all these restrictions.

Like I said, the seven-minute rule, essentially.

And every clinic and hospital is going to have a different timeline, but that’s about the average.

But they feel the shackles and they can’t break free of it.

So you can go out there with all the intention in the world of being the greatest doctor, but the system doesn’t let you.

And then, of course, too, there’s a wonderful social standard to becoming an MD, where, I mean, most kids that get in the becoming an MD, most of them are in it for money.

Everybody’s got this notoriety of, oh, become a doctor, become a doctor.

Why do they say that?

Because you want to work 80 hours a week, they want you to do that.

That doesn’t sound fun.

They want you to do it because you get good money.

So all of a sudden, you start seeing these trends where, even like for orthopedics, for example, you’ll see somebody with great intent.

You go at the beginning of the year with a clinic, they’re like, oh yeah, let’s just shave off this disc.

Let’s get you feeling good.

It’s bulging, horrible herniation.

Shave it off, we’ll feel better.

Maybe, God forbid, a disc replacement.

But then towards the end of the year, if the quota’s not met yet, oh, now we have a four-level fusion.

We’ve got to completely fuse the spine.

So we just shifted from a 15 to $20,000 surgery all the way to a $100,000 surgery.

And so they’re trying to hit that quota.

And they might be a great person, but they’re feeling that pressure from the system to hit that quota and hit that mark.

And somebody’s got to fall victim to that, unfortunately.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I know you and I were going to talk about cholesterol, inflammation, and sugar regulation, and sleep disorders.

You know, sleep, it’s so funny.

Like, I’m 48 now, and I would always say sleep is overrated.

You know, when I was younger, I never really understood the value of sleep.

You know, how you can recover from sleep and all of those different things.

And I know you see a lot of patients on a daily basis.

Would you, how would you, talking about cholesterol, inflammation, sugar regulation, sleep disorders, anxiety, you know, what is some of the main things you see with sleep disorders and how it affects all of these different things?

Oh, yeah, sleep disorder is a big one.

It really affects all of them because sleep is your absolute best way to decrease cortisol levels.

And cortisol is a main stress hormone that’s going to create inflammation in your body.

Now, how that ties in the cholesterol, you get inflammation.

Cholesterol is never a bad thing.

And I know this is a surprise for a lot of people listening to cholesterol is never a bad thing.

It’s your inflammation and cholesterol that becomes bad.

So if your cholesterol is 250 plus, it doesn’t matter.

If you don’t have inflammation, it doesn’t matter.

It won’t cause any problems.

But if you have inflammation, now you create what’s called a foam cell.

And that foam cell is essentially kind of like to make a very, very long, complex story short.

It’s the sticky substance that’s actually going to just stick and adhere to your vasculature and your arteries to, and it’s going to cause it to plaque because what your body actually wants to do is if you ever get a cut, what happens when you get a cut?

It swells up.

You get inflammation.

So when that artery breaks, cholesterol is actually there to turn into a foam cell, so that way it can plug that artery break.

And that’s why people on cholesterol medications, you’ll notice that they’ve got purple spots all over their arms, all over their legs.

And what happens is, I mean, arms primarily is because that’s most commonly, one, we bump on the shelves, we bump on counters.

You break those little veins and arteries, well, we have nothing to plug in anymore.

And it’s because that cholesterol medication brought your cholesterol too low.

So now we’ve actually just don’t have the ability to clot properly, which is also why stats show when you’re on cholesterol medication, you are way more likely to have, die of a stroke because, God forbid, artery in your brain blows, now all of a sudden we don’t have anything to plug it.

And so it’s, so that’s, that’s one of the examples of how, I mean, the cascade of where sleep falls in because sleep leads to inflammation, which causes everything else in the system to fall.

And you don’t have proper sleep, you don’t have the right energy, you don’t have the right mental health.

Your brain actually isn’t even sending the right signals to the organs in the body because you’re sleep deprived.

I mean, your brain sending signals to everything.

That’s what controls, I mean, we don’t even, if I had to ask you right now, how’s your heart doing?

How’s your lungs doing?

I don’t know, they’re in there.

It’s like how your kidneys are doing.

Like they’re in there.

We know we drink water to flush them out, but I don’t know how they’re doing.

But your brain knows constantly what it’s doing.

And if you’re sleep deprived and you’re so stressed that you can’t even think right, well guess what signals the sun in your organs?

Now we wonder why people who are sleep deprived wind up with so many diseases and so many issues.

Because it just can’t get the right signal.

Yeah, sleep, sleep, I’m big on sleep now.

And then like with these two boys that are athletes, I mean, you know, I was reading a study not too long ago about if they need about nine hours of sleep a day.

And if they don’t get nine hours of sleep for like up to seven days at a time, then their testosterone levels also way decrease.

They’re not able to build muscle.

They’re not able to recover.

I mean, it’s not just, you know, the younger, it’s all of us, the importance of sleep.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it’s a, kids need lots of sleep.

They need, I mean, anywhere between 9, 10 is great.

But if they can get upward at 12 even, I know as much as we hate that our kids sleep in until 11 a.m., it’s a, you know, sometimes they need it.

And their body’s going to tell them because they’re growing, they’re really rapidly producing a lot of cells and they need that sleep.

And then as adults, women actually need more than men.

So women, it’s actually very important that they get 8 to 9.

I hope my wife is not listening to this.

I think everybody’s thinking the same thing.

And then men are optimally going to get 7 to 8.

And of course, there’s so many conditions that people struggle with, like ADHD and just the anxiety and the stresses that will actually prevent that from happening.

And there’s a lot of people out there that will say, you know, I actually feel better if I get 5 hours of sleep, which is a common thing because they’re actually relying on their adrenal glands to secrete adrenaline so they can actually feel better.

But then you cause adrenal fatigue, which is why they typically get like the spare tire around the waist.

And the love handles.

And so even though you feel better at 5 hours, doesn’t mean it’s actually good for you.

And there’s a lot of those 5 hour people typically do have ADHD.

And then we have to address that.

So it’s really, and this is one thing again, I love about treating and being able to talk with my patients because nobody’s the same.

Everybody’s got these little underlying issues that happens or we’ve got plenty of people that’ll say, Oh, I get migraines if I sleep more than 6, 7 hours.

Okay, well, let’s get to the bottom why that migraine is happening because it’s not the sleep that’s causing the migraine.

It’s something else.

And we’ve got to get to the bottom of that.

So because sleep will actually catch a bad rap for a lot of people that are out there.

You know, I wake up and my back is killing me.

So I try to sleep less.

So my back’s not killing me.

All right, well, let’s figure out why your back’s killing.

And get that fixed first.

I’m also big on nutrition, as well as you too, as for like ADHD and different things.

I have a lot of parents contact me because we own a nutrition company.

And they’re like, man, my son is struggling with ADHD.

He gets up in the morning, he eats fruit loops, and then drinks orange juice and goes to school.

I’m like, okay, we got to stop that.

I mean, would you agree that nutrition can play a big toe on that?

Oh, yeah, absolutely, and I will say this with every bit of validity.

Nobody should ever eat cereal.

Yeah, cereal should be banned from the stinking country.

It is awful because it’s like you look at most of the cereal boxes, everything there.

So one, it can sit on the shelf for two, three years and still tastes like cereal.

And it doesn’t mold, it doesn’t rot.

It’s, I mean, you can pour it right on your counter and have it sit there for three years.

It’s going to look exactly the same.

So if you have bugs that don’t even want to eat something, then something’s wrong with it.

There’s too many preservatives.

So you’ve got the preservatives and then it’s just pure sugar.

So whether it’s oats, whether it’s grains, whether it’s even when you’re healthy ones, it’s going to convert in the sugar in the system.

And then you pour milk on it, which then lactose is sugar.

It’s going to convert in the sugar in the body as well.

So you just poured sugar on the sugar.

And then a lot of people will actually add more spoons of sugar, to your sugar.

So, I mean, typically the average person really shouldn’t get more than 40, 50 grams of sugar in a day.

And I mean, right there, you probably consumed about 60, 70 grams of sugar on your first meal.

And then you’ll have a lot of people that actually hit the situation where they say, oh, well, I ate my bowl of cereal.

And then guess what happened?

Two hours later, I’m hungry again.

And now I’m going to have another breakfast, it’s the second breakfast, and here’s a pop tart, more sugar.

And so we get in this cascade of sugar, and then studies actually show that sugar is more addictive than cocaine.

If it’s not as equal, it’s more addictive.

And it will keep getting you craving more and more sugar throughout the day.

So if you start off with cereal, you’re feeding that addiction right out of the gate, and then you’re going to cause a withdrawal symptom, which is why two hours later we’re getting hungry again.

So, you know, that’s why I love the fact that in the morning you can start off with eggs, something easy, two, three minutes, start off with that.

You get your protein smoothie, high protein in the morning.

You get 50, if you’re an athlete, 70 to 80 grams of protein for your first meal.

And I know there’s a lot of docs that will argue with me on that one where they say, oh, 70, 80 grams is way too much protein.

It is not.

Your body knows what to do with it.

It will use what it needs to, and if it is too much, it will flush out the rest.

You don’t have to worry about that, but that is gonna supercharge yourself, and you’re gonna realize, wait, I actually feel cleaner, I can think better, and I can actually go five, six hours before I feel hungry again.

Yeah, I know with sugar regulation, a lot of people don’t understand that.

I know you read these articles all the time as well, but they’re proven now that over consumption of sugar is in direct correlation with dementia, Alzheimer’s, all of those different things.

And I think that becomes an addiction early on in our life, and we continue down that road, and sugar is very harmful to you.

Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.

And again, where it’s that cascade system of sleep, to sugars, to cholesterol health.

So cholesterol will actually create vitamin D.

You go out in the sun, if you have cholesterol, it’s, vitamin D is actually made from cholesterol.

And vitamin D is a very important healing, building block of the body for your bone health, your hair, your brain cells, everything that heals.

So if you’re, again, if you’re consuming too much sugar, you’re increasing your inflammation.

Now cholesterol is actually going to be compromised before it gets to the brain.

We’ve just actually deprived our brain of those building blocks, and those essential nutrients to actually build more brain cells and the function properly.

And then we wonder why when we have this high sugar diet, all of a sudden our brain is degrading.

And it’s a direct correlation there.

If you have inflammation, your brain is going to degrade along with every other cell in your body.

How would I know if I’m listening that I have high inflammation?

That’s where it’s, it can be tricky.

So one easy one is you just take your form and scratch it.

And if it turns red really quick, then you’re in flames.

But if you give it like two, three minutes, you notice, oh, hey, it’s not turning red.

I’m okay.

You’re very low inflammation.

So I’ll check here in about two, three minutes, see where I’m at.

So.

I think I’m good.

I just got through doing the sauna and the cold plunge this morning.

I got rid of my inflammation.

I got my workout.

I got my six eggs and some nice chicken sausage this morning and then even another breakfast.

So now this is where I will admit there’s a little bit of sugar in my diet.

Like even this morning, I had my Greek yogurt.

I had about it’s about probably maybe a quarter cup of Greek yogurt.

And then I slice up plum in there.

So that way, after my workout, I do replenish with a little bit of sugar because I just feel like that’s what my muscles need, like kind of refuel, get that glucose back up so it can actually refuel.

And I don’t cause muscle muscle degradation.

And then, boom, now I’ve got my breakfast that’s stacked with protein.

And that really gets me feeling completely optimal.

So I shouldn’t be too inflamed.

Well, and that’s what I was about to say.

If I consume sugar, it’s going to be from a natural sugar.

I mean, that’s what I love about our hydrate product.

It has pure sugar canes, not been processed sugar.

It’s only six grams.

In my morning routine, I get up, I eat five eggs and a protein shake.

And then I do my workout, and then I do a double protein shake afterwards.

And then I eat a piece of fruit, you know, something like that afterwards.

But I try to get at least 50 grams of protein, five meals a day.

And when I started that three years ago, you know, you hear the importance of protein, but I really didn’t understand.

But you put high protein diet in your life, it will totally change.

I have a lot of people say, well, how do you eat 250 grams of protein a day?

You just say, I’m going to eat five meals, and I’m going to eat my protein first.

And I’m very low carb.

There’s a place for carbs.

But a lot of people too, when we talk about sugar, they don’t understand that a piece of white bread is basically like eating sugar.

Pure sugar.

I mean, they don’t, oh, I don’t eat sugar.

They think when I say don’t eat sugar, they’re thinking I don’t make Kool-Aid with a cup of sugar.

No, I’m not talking about that.

I’m talking about your carbs that turn into sugar.

People have no awareness of that.

Exactly.

And I mean, for you, I don’t know if everybody’s seen pictures of Jeremy here, but he works out like a beast.

So that’s why 250 grams is appropriate there.

But yeah, for the average person, you are going to want to taper off a little bit as the night goes on.

If you aren’t getting those heavy, high intensity workouts.

So yeah, if you get your 50 to 70 in the morning, you get lunch, you get about 40 to 50.

Dinner, you get about 30 to 40.

That’s going to be perfect.

And so you kind of, meals should get smaller as the day goes on.

You should not be going to bed on an empty, on a full stomach.

Sorry.

You should be almost relatively empty.

Because what will happen is actually while you’re sleeping, another big issue with the sleep is if you go to bed on a full stomach, what’s going to happen is if God forbid you had something sugary, again, that two hour withdrawal, two hours later, your body is actually going to come out of sleep.

You might keep your eyes closed, but you’re actually coming out of that REM sleep because your body is saying, hey, we’re hungry again.

Right.

And now you’re getting crappy sleep.

You’re going to feel like garbage in the morning.

Do not go to sleep full.

Well, and just the digestion part too.

I mean, your body, instead of trying to get in REM sleep or deep sleep, it’s trying to process everything.

It’s trying to digest all of the food.

Exactly.

Yep.

It’s very important where it all ties in there.

And the other big thing too with that protein level is a lot of people find it unattainable to do it the healthy way.

Because you go to GNC, you’ve got all these products that are just loaded with sugar as well.

Because I mean, there’s protein shakes that have like cookies and cream.

And it’s like, as you look at these flavors, I’m like, this is literally like ice cream.

And then you look at the content, and it’s loaded with sugar.

And flavors that literally is ice cream.

And that’s the part.

But then you go on the other end, where you look at the more natural and those pure organic ones, and they taste like dirt.

What most of them do.

It’s like, I mean, I can’t even tell you how many smoothies I’ve had with protein, where I had to plug my nose and just choke it down.

And you can do that for about two weeks.

And then all of a sudden, guess what happens?

We give it up, and then we’re like, forget it, I can’t do this, and we’re back at the donut shop.

Absolutely.

So it doesn’t work, which is why I love your product, because it is grass-fed whey protein.

It is great.

Collagen.

Collagen, very little preservatives.

It’s, and it still tastes good.

Yeah, my R&D team, when we first formulated that product six and a half years ago, I drove them crazy.

And I kept going, no, we gotta change this, change this.

Because again, what you said is like, if it does not taste good, people will do it for a short term, but they’re going to quit.

And man, that’s one thing we pride everything off of here at Corvive is the taste.

And we wanted our vanilla to taste like a vanilla ice cream without a lot of adding sugars, you know, that type of thing.

And the chocolate, I tell everyone it takes like a chocolate dream sickle, you know.

But we wanted it to taste good.

And that’s one of my favorite snacks is I take Greek yogurt and I put the chocolate with it and mix it up like pudding.

So once you get out of the habit of grabbing the donuts and the bad sugars and the bad carbs, your body with a good product like Corvive, with the collagen and the grass-fed whey, then your body craves that good protein without the large excess of sugars.

Exactly.

Yep, absolutely.

And yeah, it’s great too, because even my staff will make fun of me where normally most people are used to mixing their protein powders with milk or something that, like a solid base, which again, you’re putting sugar back into it if you get too much milk.

So that lactose is going to create just more sugar.

It’s going to convert.

And my staff will actually make fun of me because I’ll just add your product right to a water bottle.

That’s what I do.

And they’re like, like, oh, isn’t that gross?

I’m like, no, it’s only gross because that’s what you’re used to with the other proteins.

I’m like, now try it.

And they taste it like, oh, yeah, that’s actually really good.

Like, yeah, like it’s easy.

And especially for how many patients I see, because we see a lot of patients within a short period.

So it’ll be, you know, hours between two and six.

Like by, I mean, my work is like a workout.

So of course, I mean, moving spines, especially in Texas, we get some big old boys out here.

It’s like a workout.

So two hours in, I need a little recharge.

I need a little fuel.

And it’s just really easy to shake it up and get right back to it and get that protein supercharged there.

And that’s the other thing too, is like, I mean, whether you’re working construction, you’re a cop, you’re military, you feel that drain because, you know, construction, you’re working, you’re shoveling, you’re really busting your butt, shake up protein real quick, boom, you can get right back to it.

And then all of a sudden, guess what they’re gonna do?

They’re gonna look at you and say, hey, look, Ted’s working his butt off.

He can work laps around everybody else.

Let’s make him a manager.

Oh, look at that, and you just became manager because of taking your protein shake.

So it’s just, I mean, little tricks like this can really change your life just because your energy level’s gonna be higher and your thought process is gonna be higher.

And then, you know, I don’t know about you, but when you get manager and manager position, you start to point fingers more, all of a sudden finances are a little better, you get to sleep better, anxiety goes down.

So, improvement of life is also a very big way of just helping with anxiety.

And that’s not even improving your life through just work.

I mean, just everything, how you feel, how you function, work, finances, it all ties in.

Absolutely.

You mentioned energy levels, and I work with quite a few clients on the side to help them in life.

And, you know, most of them, I’d say 60% are people mine in your age, which I know you’re younger than me.

But then I work with a lot of younger athletes as well.

And that’s probably my favorite, trying to educate them at a young age, you know, all the things that we’re talking about.

But I talk to them about exercise and the importance of exercise, you know, because I have a lot of young kids and they understand, they listen to this podcast and they say, oh, I need nine hours, 10 hours of sleep, whatever.

But then they tell me they can’t sleep good at night.

And I’m like, well, what was your workout today?

You know, how did you exercise?

Because if you don’t have the energy levels, and correct me if I’m wrong here, most of the time it’s because you’re not using that energy throughout the day to get tired, to be able to sleep good.

And what would you say the importance of exercise is in all of these pieces that we’re talking about?

Oh yeah, exercise is an absolute must for everyone.

And, you know, it’s, I feel like the model for our American system on what exercise looks like is flawed.

Because of course, you know, you go in the gyms and people get intimidated because you see these cross fitters that are just throwing around weights, slinging around weights and yelling and screaming.

And it’s very intimidating.

And then you go in and you see these people that come in, and they’re just, they look like the Hulk, and like Jeremy.

So, and so one, you really have to try to get in the gym and just not focus on the intimidation.

Focus on the aspect of why you’re there and what you’re trying to accomplish.

And you’ll actually see where the energy levels that you’re going to get from that exercise is going to drastically change your day.

I mean, now this is a common thing that I notice with a lot of my athletes where they’re doing two a days.

So they’ll work out in the morning, they’ll work out in the evening.

And what they’re finding is their sleep actually goes down.

They’re actually only able to sleep four or five hours in a night.

Well, the problem is their afternoon workout is too intense.

So, your evening workouts, if you’re working out past 6 p.m., you need to slow it down.

You need to keep that heart rate low.

And just, that’s when you want to bulk up.

You lift the heavier weights, you take things slow, lift, take two, three minute break, lift again, just keep it slow.

And then you’ll actually notice that you’re tired when you get back.

It’ll actually help you fall asleep.

But if you go do something at like CrossFit that late, you’re actually going to notice you’re up to 11 p.m., midnight, even worse.

And then your body instinctively wants to wake up again, because guess what happens?

You just worked out, you’re hungry.

You’re going to wake up early.

And that’s going to be a big problem as well.

So if you’re an evening workout person, you want to slow it down in the evening.

And you’ll actually see, I’ll challenge everybody to this one.

Go to the gym between five and seven a.m.

You’re going to see a different group of people compared to going to the gym six to eight p.m.

There’s a whole different fitness level.

There’s a whole different mindset.

And the people at five to seven a.m., they just look and feel better because they’re getting that proper sleep.

And they’ll fall asleep at nine p.m.

Every time, like clockwork.

And so it’s just, you know, if you can get that early, and then now here’s the problem why people don’t like to work out five to seven a.m.

Is they’re going to feel drained once that lull hits around one to two p.m.

Which is why a lot of times people will take that micro nap.

And by micro nap, I mean 15 minutes.

You sleep more than that, all of a sudden, you’re in a sleep.

You don’t want to sleep.

You want a micro nap.

It’ll recharge you.

Or this is the problem in America as well.

We’ve got two coffee shops on every single street, and we resort to the coffee, and that’s actually going to spike your cortisol levels.

You’re getting sugar in it, because everybody wants their coffee to taste good, and it’s way too much sugar, so you’re actually going to feel like garbage after.

Once that caffeine spike wears off, you’re going to feel like garbage.

So this is where I love energy product that y’all have, because it’s clean, it’s going to be focused, it’s very low in sugar, and it’s natural, doesn’t have the preservatives.

It’s going to give you that nice fluid energy boost.

Now, don’t get me wrong, your product’s great, so don’t take it past 5, 6 p.m.

as well.

You’ll want to take it a little bit earlier, but it’s going to push you through.

And I mean, and if you’re more caffeine-sensitive, the cool thing is, I mean, I took yours, for example, personally, I’m more caffeine-sensitive.

I take like a quarter of your packet.

It’s awesome.

Oh yeah, I feel awesome.

Think better, it’s cleaner, it’s great.

You got that energy.

It’s fantastic.

So that way, if I don’t have that time for that 15-minute nap, boom, just pour a little of that powder in the water.

Again, water.

It’s super easy.

Yeah, I mean, our energy product, we have no sugar in it, and the great thing about that is you get these spikes again, talking about sugar.

That’s when people go to Starbucks or whatever that they go to, and they get the caffeine, but then they dump all the sugar in, and caffeine is just a transporter to your cells, and it’s just taking that sugar and throwing it in those cells, and that’s why people’s glucose levels spike up, and they crash, they go back and get another one, and then they go back and get another one.

Exactly, yeah.

It’s a, you know, I will admit, I actually fell victim to one of those Frappuccinos like two, three months ago, one of my kiddos influenced me, and she’s like, I want a sweet treat, because normally our sweet treats are something more healthy and like a fruit, but we were, I think we went to the Arboretum down in Dallas, so we were far away, and she’s like, you said I could get a sweet treat.

I’m like, we were going to Starbucks ourselves, and normally I’m a big espresso drinker.

I just like it straight, just because I’m in it for the energy.

I’m not in it for the flavor.

And and she’s like, can I try that Frappuccino?

And I’m like, you try that thing.

I mean, that thing’s got like 120 grams of sugar.

It’s nuts.

So that’s almost three times about your daily value that you should be getting.

It’s just it’s wild.

So it’s but yeah, you now you drink that you on the front end, you get the double dose of the caffeine and the sugar.

And then all of a sudden that caffeine wears off.

Now you’re actually causing that sugar just decrease.

That glucose spike goes down and you just feel absolutely horrible.

You feel sluggish, feel drained.

Oh, man, I was like the worst feeling ever.

That was a great advertisement for me to never have one of those.

The Starbucks is not going to get all of your money.

It’s not mine either.

Especially not a $12 Frappuccino or whatever they’re charging these days.

Yeah.

Talking about anxiety, one of the things that I’ve, you know, obviously we talk about lifting weights a lot.

And when I’m working with clients, I tell them, look, it took you all of your life to get bad out of shape.

And I think the bad thing about exercise is people look at exercise as a way to look good with your shirt off.

And I tried when I’m working with clients, I’m like, look, if it took you that long to get out of shape, you’re not gonna change it in two, three weeks.

So I try to flip their mind of looking at lifting weights and exercise as more of a mental aspect to the equation.

You know, look at lifting weights as getting rid of the stress.

Look at lifting weights as a way to get your mind right.

And then use nutrition to be able to look good when your shirt is off.

Would you agree with that?

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, they definitely…

I’d say that aligns perfectly right there.

That’s exactly what you got to follow.

Yeah, yeah, because a lot of people think, well, I’m just gonna go lift weights, and then they come home, and they take their shirt off, and they look the same, and it’s not gonna be, you know, dramatic difference.

You’re not gonna go lift weights four times and then look like you wanna look.

You know, you’ve gotta look at weights as a way to get rid of stress, you know, move weights, and find you a happy place that you can just focus on you and become the best you you can become.

Yep.

And the biggest key, two things, is one, just remember the word move.

You just have to move.

And two, have an accountability partner or a coach.

Because if you don’t have that, it’s gonna fall apart.

Because you’re gonna hold yourself accountable, and we all have those bad days.

There’s so many times where even I’m drained of work, and I’m like, you know, I don’t feel like going to the gym.

But guess what?

If I’ve got my buddy going, he’s like, Hey, where are you at?

Which is, again, why I love that 5 a.m., the 7 a.m.

crew, because if I don’t show up at that LA Fitness at 5 a.m., I’ve got Jimmy, I’ve got Mario, I’ve got everybody.

Texting you, saying, Where are you at?

Why aren’t you here?

Or like, I’ll get back to the gym, and they call me out, like, Where have you been this last week?

I’m like, I promise I was on vacation.

I promise I still worked out.

Well, they’ll hold you accountable.

It’s a different group of people that’s gonna hold you accountable, which is fantastic.

But when it comes to moving, if you’ve never worked out or just that’s not part of your lifestyle, there’s a study that shows your health is going to be based on the 10 people you hang out with.

If they’re all obese, you’re going to be obese.

No questions asked.

There’s no questions asked.

It’s just gonna be that.

If you’re hanging out with people that just have love handles, guess what?

You’re gonna have love handles too.

It’s just you develop those habits with those 10 people that you hang out with the most.

So you want to have that accountability partner who’s actually in line, and then also again, just move.

I mean, if you’ve never hung out, I’m not saying you have to drop all those friends, but you’ve got to change.

You have to change something.

And if you’ve never worked out and everybody’s obese, you’re obese, you’re just moderately overweight, whatever it is, don’t go in the gym thinking, I’m going to work out for an hour.

That’s the wrong way to come about it.

You’re going to feel defeated.

You’re going to feel like garbage.

You’re barely even going to sweat because your body doesn’t know how to sweat.

It’s got to learn how to do it again, unless you’re down here in Texas in the summer.

You’ll sweat.

Our bodies know how to sweat.

Our bodies never forget.

But your body has to relearn how to move.

So I’ll tell people, start off on the bike for five minutes.

Just do that, and then do maybe ten pushups on your knees against a wall.

Even if on your knees is too hard, go against a wall, just angle yourself, do ten pushups, do ten curls with some weights, and call it good.

Your workout was ten minutes.

Anybody can do that.

But the key is, I know where you’re headed here, go back again the next day.

Exactly.

Go back again the next day.

And even if you stick with that same workout the entire week, that’s fine, because you just built a routine.

You’re starting to build a habit.

Because you do that, if you show up to the gym five days in a row, for four weeks, you have just formed a habit.

And your body’s automatically going to start saying, oh, we need to go somewhere.

We need to go to the gym.

And you’re going to follow what your body’s actually feeling and what you’re wanting to do.

Now that that habit is there, now we can start, after the first week, we can start increasing, rather than biking for five minutes, let’s go to six minutes.

And then the next week, we’re going to seven minutes, and we’re going to eight minutes.

The end of the year, you’re biking for 52 minutes.

And it’s, I mean, that’s great, you’re going to be in great shape at that point.

So it’s cool.

And then you’re going to start losing weight.

You’re automatically, your body’s going to start craving those better foods.

You’re going to crave that clean energy, not the fake energy.

And also, I mean, like those monster drinks and stuff like that, speaking of fake energy, it’s all those products.

I mean, you’re going to actually gravitate away from that.

You’re going to gravitate away from the sugary foods, because your body needs to be clean to do that kind of activity level.

Right.

Yeah, I mean, when I’m talking to clients, I’m like, we got to get you to a point where you have a natural high on life.

So you’re not seeking those things that give you dopamine increases.

You got to earn those, you know?

I mean, earning it means me going to the gym and getting that dopamine increase, not going to happy hour and getting it, not going to the sugar and things like that.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And it’s, you know, there’s something to be said about the aspect.

I like that you said that because it’s, you know, so many people get that dopamine rush.

And to what cost?

Like you go out to the bar, well, you’re there for two, three hours.

And the next two, three days, you feel like garbage.

Exactly.

Like, why?

Why is that even worth it?

And I have never met a single person in my life that said, I love hangovers.

Unless somebody is so well driven that they are just like, you know what, hangover forces me to sit on the couch and watch some movies because they actually need that mental break and stress.

Okay, I can get that.

I can appreciate that.

But there is no way that says they love hangovers.

Like, what is the point?

What are we chasing?

And then this is where we’ve got to go back to that brain health.

And we’ve got to go back to why is our brain health not functioning right?

Because there’s a reason why you’re craving that.

And either that is from decreased sleep and body’s just not functioning right, or you have psychological traumas, which is then why I love therapists as well.

Again, accountability partner, coach.

We’ve got to make sure the brain is right just as well as the body.

Yes.

Yeah, I tell everybody one night at the bar takes two days of your life.

Oh yeah.

The day you was there and the day after.

Yep, exactly.

It just definitely is a disruption in your life and what you’re trying to accomplish in life.

Yeah.

Yeah, there’s a two, three day rule to a lot of aspects of health.

Like even my top athletes, it’s not…

A lot of people think, oh, it’s what you eat the day before your game.

And it’s like almost every professional athlete will tell you, it’s not what you eat the day before, it’s the day before the day before the game.

It’s you got two or three days that you’ve got to eat clean before that game.

Otherwise, you’re performing like crap.

Yeah, and then if you do get injured, not all the time.

We got weird accidents that happen in sports, but anytime my boys deal with an injury, I always say, was it self-inflicted?

You know how hard I am on my boys, but Pearson pulled a hamstring early in baseball season this spring, and we took him straight from there to you.

But on the way there, I’m like, Pearson, was this a self-inflicted wound?

And he said, what do you mean?

I’m like, did you stretch properly?

Did you prepare properly before that game?

And that’s something I know you’re big in helping my boys as well.

Not just what you eat, but also your stretching routine and preparing your body ready to go compete.

Yeah.

And this is where I love the fact that pro athletes are getting on board with chiropractors and really validating what chiropractors do, because, I mean, the proof is in the pudding.

We’re starting to see it.

So you see, like, guys like Peyton Manning, Tiger Woods.

These guys are falling apart, and they never saw chiropractors.

They’ve swore against them and never did it, just didn’t make it part of the routine.

But then you’ve got guys like Aaron Rodgers, one of the longest careers.

His dad’s a chiropractor.

And you’ve got Jerry Rice, longest performing receiver for the 49ers, and used to go to chiropractor all the time.

I’m pretty sure they wound up becoming best friends, if I remember his story right.

And so you see these guys that actively kept chiropractors in their routine, and it drastically changes their life and their outcome.

And Tom Brady, I mean, Tom Brady is like the epitome of the example of what you follow.

And because, I mean, I’m not even saying just chiropractic for him.

He’s got everything on point.

He’s got his yoga routine, his stretching, his nutrition, his chiropractor, he’s got all of the health aspect.

I mean, the guy still looks like he’s 30.

Yes.

And I don’t even know how old he is.

I think he’s my age.

He’s 48.

I don’t really have time to pay attention to sports, but is he still playing?

No, he just retired last year.

Retired again?

Yeah, retired.

Yep.

Yeah, retired the second time.

But I mean, how awesome is that, that you’re living in a way that you can actually, you don’t have to retire because your body gives out.

He gets to choose if he wants to come back or not.

And that’s awesome.

That’s exactly what we want for everybody.

There should never be a point where, oh, I have to retire at 65 because I feel like garbage and my body’s wore out.

You should be able to say, hey, I want to retire at 50 because I perform so well, I’ve got the right finances and I felt so great, or I’m retiring at 80 because I want to.

And finances are good, but I just want to work.

I like doing it.

And so that’s where everybody should strive to be.

And, but again, we get in this complacent model and it’s a lot of it has to do with just, you know, the sleep disorders, the anxieties, the depressions.

And even if somebody isn’t depressed, you might actually still be depressed.

And people don’t even realize that.

And again, look at what you’re eating and how much sugar you’re taking and what dopamine spikes you’re searching for.

You’ll find your key to what’s wrong there.

Yeah, I mean, we live in a society that we’re always looking for cheat codes.

Exactly.

You know, what is the easiest way?

And I think the nutrition, the sleep, the stretching, you know, doing all these different things, they don’t understand the value that it brings long term.

Because maybe again, they exercise for a week and then they quit.

And then they try to sleep good for a week and then they go back to their old ways of watching Netflix in the bed.

I mean, we don’t even turn the TV on in our bedroom ever.

You know, I mean, I take a book and try to read, try to stay away from screen time, different things like that late at night.

But it looks like society is just always looking for that cheat code.

They want to go get on a Zempik or they want to they want to do all these different things to find the easy way.

But the good value of life is doing these things that we’re talking about consistently.

Yep, absolutely.

And by the way, if anybody’s on a Zempik, get off of it immediately.

Of course, talk to your doctor how you get off of it, because I haven’t studied it enough to know if there’s withdrawal symptoms, but I just know it is a disaster on your pancreas.

It is a disaster on your whole gut.

It is awful.

And it’s not sustainable.

Again, if you have a cut, do you want to just keep putting a Band-Aid on it and just pretend like it’s going to go away?

What if it doesn’t heal?

How are you going to actually fix it?

It’s, you know, you take this pill, it’ll get you to lose weight.

Guess what happens when you stop taking it?

It’s going to come right back.

Because most of them are not going to change their lifestyle.

Because they’re choosing this cheat code because they don’t want to change their lifestyle.

Yeah, it’s cheat codes, just the short and easy route never is sustainable, ever, ever, bottom line.

And so, and you know, even, I like that you’re saying how you read a book before you go to bed, because, you know, again, we commonly always find these cheat codes because of course tablets and computers are just part of our life.

People are like, oh, what can I do to fix this problem?

Oh, I’ll get these noise-canceling headphones, or I’ll get these blue, limiting light glasses so I can look at my iPad before I go to bed.

And it’s like, no, just turn it off, right?

Just turn it off.

Yeah.

You don’t need it.

And, you know, and that just comes with that instant gratification lifestyle of just, which is why we default to those pills and the meds.

It’s just purely instant gratification because if you just turn it off, I mean, even if you’re working and you’re responding to emails at night, guess what would happen if you didn’t do that?

They can wait two days.

Exactly.

They’ll get over it.

Exactly.

They don’t need it right now.

I can’t, I mean, don’t get me wrong.

I used to stress all the time about work and getting things done right away.

And it didn’t change a thing.

No.

Didn’t change nothing.

No.

Well, the only thing that changed is it raised your anxiety level, thinking you have to have to have to have to all the time.

And so therefore, you wasn’t in a good spot.

So when that patient come to see you, you wasn’t able to take care of him or her correctly because you wasn’t taken care of.

Exactly.

Yep.

So it’s actually a detriment.

If you just keep on that instant gratification trap, it’s an absolute detriment.

But if you’re operating at 100 percent, I mean, everybody’s going to be happy tenfold.

Right.

That’s why I try to teach.

I’ve taught to my boys over and over and anybody I’m working with, always choose delayed gratification over instant gratification.

Yeah.

I mean, you think about the 90s when we didn’t have cell phones, we didn’t have the computers.

I mean, heck, your computer had to dial up and everybody’s used to that.

So you didn’t even want to go through it.

Exactly.

So it’s like, you know, back then, did we still build skyscrapers?

Did we still have good jobs?

Sure.

We still had everything we needed.

Everything still got done.

And I don’t see things happening at a faster rate because we have all this technology.

Maybe the technology is coming at a faster rate.

But as far as life and how we’re taking care of ourselves, I mean, average lifespan is still the same.

Absolutely.

It hasn’t changed.

So your life isn’t going to change because of this technology.

Your lifespan is not going to change because of this technology.

It’s just, you know, decrease that stress.

It’s the most important thing.

Yeah.

When I’m working with people and trying to help them through life, I always say, more important than the speed of how fast you move, it’s more about the direction you are going.

Exactly.

There’s a lot of people that move really fast, but they’re going nowhere.

Oh, yeah.

So let’s find north if that’s where we are headed in our life, and prioritize our health, relationships, our finances, all these different markers that we’re trying to be the best in, and that’s the direction we need to go.

It’s more important of knowing the direction and heading in the right direction, than moving real fast and getting nowhere.

Exactly.

And that’s what society is sometimes.

I can identify someone when they walk in the room, and I know you can too.

You know, I’m like, how’s your day?

Oh, I’m doing this, and I’m doing that, and they’re texting while they’re talking to you, and they’re calling, and all these different things.

And I’m like, that’s one of them that’s going really fast, but getting nowhere.

Yep, exactly.

I’ve seen a whole lot of Ferraris sitting in the garage.

Just because it’s a nice Ferrari doesn’t mean it’s going anywhere.

Exactly, exactly.

Well, Doc, I’ve enjoyed visiting with you today, and thank you for donating your time and coming in today on the podcast.

I’ve got to ask this question.

I didn’t tell you I was going to ask you, but what has been the most rewarding part of your profession?

And number one, I respect you as a man, you know, a father, you know, everything you’ve done for my family, but I’ve got to ask what has been the most rewarding part of your profession and what you do on a daily basis, working with professional athletes to young athletes like Beckett, to older men like myself, to I know I’ve saw, you know, 65 year old women and you’re taking care of, what has been the most rewarding of all this?

Excuse me.

Yeah, that is a tough one.

It’s because, I mean, instinctively, I just draw back to, there’s not really a specific area that is the most rewarding for me.

Like, I love treating athletes, I love treating moms that are currently pregnant, I love treating babies who have conditions.

I think the most rewarding aspect for me is just being able to change somebody’s life.

Because I feel like if you’re not changing somebody’s life in what you’re doing, you’re not doing anything at all.

What’s the point at that point?

Like, you should be striving to make your life and somebody else’s life better.

And if you’re not making it better, then we’re stuck in this routine of just doing the same thing every day.

It goes back to fulfillment.

That’s what I taught to people about, are you fulfilled in life?

Yeah, and it’s wonderful because, kind of like we talked about earlier with the Hippocratic Oath of do no harm and just treat a patient at your best ability, it’s wonderful knowing that I can go to work and just make sure that we’re striving for health, and everything else just falls in line.

Everything else falls in line, and then it’s also cool, too, where we actually were going to go through a merger with a larger company.

And it was awesome to see when I backed out of it for many reasons, but I wasn’t ready to let go of my patients.

I actually, it’s like, my patients were like, they’re my flock.

I want to take good care of them.

And it was really cool.

They’re your family.

Yeah.

I actually had one patient that actually arms up cheering, jumping up and down, that we canceled the merger.

And I was like, that’s awesome.

I was like, you know, that makes it worth it right there, where we’re actually changing people’s lives.

And that’s the other thing.

That’s one piece of advice I’d give to other chiropractors as well.

I mean, not even just chiropractors, MDs.

Again, if you’re not changing lives, what’s the point?

Anything you do should be changing somebody’s life for the better.

And that’s what we can all strive for.

And if you’re actually noticing that what you’re doing is causing more of a detriment, if you notice drinking beer at night is causing more strain on your kids and you’re not able to have the energy to play with them, what’s the point?

Give up the stinking beer.

You should be striving to be better and make that kid’s life better.

Yeah, I’m big on servant leadership.

And one of the things about that is a lot of people think, well, I don’t have a position like you.

I don’t have a position like Jeremy.

It doesn’t matter if you’re a great school secretary.

It doesn’t matter what your position is or your profession.

Are you doing it to the best of your ability?

Are you trying to leave a good mark on every person that you come in contact with?

And that’s where the real freedom comes from.

That’s where the real fulfillment comes from.

Am I really giving my full self and expect nothing in return?

Because I want to make an impact in that person’s life.

That’s why I did The Hard Truth Podcast.

I love the part of your conversation of mine today can hopefully get someone’s attention to say, take control of your own life.

Let’s look at the markers on a daily basis, nutrition, sleep, the things that we are self-inflicted and bad on us, whether it be sugar, whether it be too many carbs, alcohol, whatever.

But let’s take control of our life.

That’s what I love of what you just said, is educating and making sure that we can impact others.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

And it’s like you said, it doesn’t matter what profession you have, because, I mean, it’s, you could, like I said, you could be a secretary and the interaction you have with the person that was stressed out.

And you never know what’s going on through somebody’s head.

They could be at that breaking point.

And all of a sudden, you said one sentence that changed her life.

And that’s all that matters.

Or if you’re stuck at a computer behind the desk, say you’re a help desk person.

You respond to somebody and you do it cordially, you do it properly, and you say something that helps that person through their problem, and you make it better, and you do it nicely, guess what?

You change somebody’s life.

It doesn’t matter what you do.

Show people you care.

Exactly.

Heck, I was even writing, what was it, about two years ago?

I actually wrote one of my fourth grade teachers a letter, because I was just like, you know what?

There was something she said to me one day that made a big impact, and it actually changed the course of my life.

So I was like, you know what?

I want to send a letter just to acknowledge that, and just acknowledge you made my life better, because I mean, one, it feels great.

So that’s another thing, too.

If you’ve never written somebody a letter saying how they changed your life, please do it.

I feel like everybody could use that.

It gives somebody’s life purpose, and that’s one big detriment we’re in right now, is like everything’s so weird.

Everything’s very hush-hush where people are almost afraid to even give compliments anymore because they’re afraid it’s going to come back as being negative.

And it’s like, no, compliment the heck out of people.

Let them know how they changed your life.

Everybody loves to hear that.

One thing I’ve practiced for the last couple of years now is I get up early in the morning, and I try to do my study time before I go to the gym, and I practice giving gratitude.

And I try to every morning send two texts to someone with me not wanting anything in return, and just saying thank you for what difference you’ve made in my life.

And I know that seems simple, but there’s a lot of people that they want more, want more, want more, want more, but they don’t appreciate what they have today.

Exactly.

And I feel like if you do not appreciate what you have today, getting a little bit more something, whether it be money or whatever the situation is, you want a nicer car, nicer house, that’s not going to bring happiness.

Exactly.

All your cars still have four wheels, whether it’s a Honda or a Ferrari, they all have four wheels.

It doesn’t change anything.

Car is a car at the end of the day.

And again, I can’t strive that more.

It’s about how you change yourself and how you change other people’s lives that makes the big difference.

Yeah, I mean, best way to do it, again, get a coach.

Get a coach, whether that be an actual trainer, a therapist, a chiropractor, get somebody who can help you, because most people have never done it.

And change, I mean, even Michael Jordan needed Phil Jackson.

There is no doubt in my mind, Michael Jordan would not be who he was without Phil Jackson.

I mean, he still would have been great, don’t get me wrong, but he might have been a LeBron, and I know that’s gonna ruffle a lot of feathers.

He might have been a LeBron where you’re great, you got all this talent, but guess what, you still didn’t get a lot of rings.

Or at least in a row, it took a long time.

So you need a coach every time.

And if you need help finding one, I don’t care where you’re at in the country, feel free to reach out to us.

You call us 214-872-4220, or email us info at beyondinnovationchiro.com.

We’ll help you out with that.

We won’t charge for doing that.

If you want help, we’re here for you.

That again comes back to just making people’s lives better.

That’s what we’re here for.

That’s what it’s all about.

Well, Dr.

Mark Liebich from Beyond Innovation Chiropractic, thank you for being here on The Hard Truth Podcast.

Thanks for having me.

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